Who is God to You?

[vallorn]

I think il be staying away from this thread now. bye guys and galls its been a fun intelectual exerceise.

but before I go I think il comment on one last thing:

More that the topic has changed a bit. It'd be kind of silly to make a new thread every time the topic changed slightly.

It's a lot more than slight.

I thought this was relevant.

[asi1998]

The bible claims that the world was made in 6 days; science has shown that to be false.

There is no Bible verse that says "And God created the world in six days." There are lots of people who believe in the "billions of years" theory who love God and believe he died and rose from the dead.

The bible claims that the world was flooded; science has shown that to be false.

About 75% of the crust of the earth is sedimentary rock. You will find billions of dead plants and animals buried in these sedimentary layers. They also appear to be buried very very quickly. The only explanation for this rapid sedimentation is a global flood where masses of waters would bury this stuff.

You cite the bible as proof of Jesus existing and, therefore, the god depicted in it existing. But what of other books, such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, the Tao Te Ching, the Torah, the Qur'an, the Avesta, the Vanaya Pitaki and many other holy books? If the bible alone is proof of its god, why aren't all of those books proof of their respective deities/beliefs?

These books do not have the perfect copies and eyewitness accounts found in the Bible.

[697134002]

The bible claims that the world was made in 6 days; science has shown that to be false.

There is no Bible verse that says "And God created the world in six days." There are lots of people who believe in the "billions of years" theory who love God and believe he died and rose from the dead.

The bible claims that the world was flooded; science has shown that to be false.

About 75% of the crust of the earth is sedimentary rock. You will find billions of dead plants and animals buried in these sedimentary layers. They also appear to be buried very very quickly. The only explanation for this rapid sedimentation is a global flood where masses of waters would bury this stuff.

You cite the bible as proof of Jesus existing and, therefore, the god depicted in it existing. But what of other books, such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, the Tao Te Ching, the Torah, the Qur'an, the Avesta, the Vanaya Pitaki and many other holy books? If the bible alone is proof of its god, why aren't all of those books proof of their respective deities/beliefs?

These books do not have the perfect copies and eyewitness accounts found in the Bible.

1: Give this a read. Or this, at Tulon's insistence, because the KJV is old. This one still has the days thing.

2: Give this a read, too. They do not appear to be buried very quickly, and the fossils are VERY deep. There are some animals lower than others. Unless you think that they somehow managed to stay above the water for a longer while, that doesn't work. Oh, and there are plants. Plants aren't known for their swimming abilities OR their running abilities. The way plants are fossilized would mean that giant trees too heavy to float somehow managed to not hit the bottom long enough for animals - even birds - to get buried under them.
On second thought, give that entire page a read. Not just the part below where I linked to.

3: You have yet to give any verifiable proof that the bible has eyewitness accounts without relying on the bible itself. Outside of the bible, there is so little mention of jesus from that time period that taking the simple claim of his existence as proof that he did everything the bible says he did is ridiculous.
We have far more evidence for Mohammad's existence than for Jesus's.

[Tulonsae]

@697,

Ummm... Really? You're using the King James version of the Bible to back up your claims? A translated version made by scholars without as much information as we have today and heavily influenced by the politics of the time.

If this is the nature of your facts....

[697134002]

@697,

Ummm... Really? You're using the King James version of the Bible to back up your claims? A translated version made by scholars without as much information as we have today and heavily influenced by the politics of the time.

If this is the nature of your facts....

It is less influenced by politics. Modern versions replace the part about sleeping with a man in a woman's menstrual bed with not having sex with men. But I'll add a second link in there to a newer version.

[vallorn]

I promised myself I wouldn't come back to this thread but dear god... your grasp of geology is terrible...
Yes there are layers of sedimentary rock but between these layers are layers of volcanic igneous rock and metamorphic stone like marble.

As well at that as 697 said. the way in which the fossils are layered does not support the flood idea as a flood would have caused all of the fossils to be scrambles into one layer rather than separate into distinct layers with different fossils in each one.

finally. there is no evidence at all that these fossils were buried rapidly. with the exception of a few cases in tar pits and where we can see that they lie in an ancient riverbed.

plus. the process of fossilization is SLOOOOWWWWW. it involves minerals leeching from the stone surrounding the bones into the bone itself which take millions and millions of years.

[Hytro]

I love how so many says that God is for them a loving God and is watching over them and whatnot, and each time I think about God, I think that if God is real, he must be the mos sick and twisted entity in the world. This force with so much power, witch looks to be hold back so he can watch all the misery and horror be played out on this planet.

[asi1998]

1: Give this a read. Or this, at Tulon's insistence, because the KJV is old. This one still has the days thing.

You and Val should check out this article: http://creation.com/geology-and-the-young-earth

2: Give this a read, too. They do not appear to be buried very quickly, and the fossils are VERY deep. There are some animals lower than others. Unless you think that they somehow managed to stay above the water for a longer while, that doesn't work. Oh, and there are plants. Plants aren't known for their swimming abilities OR their running abilities. The way plants are fossilized would mean that giant trees too heavy to float somehow managed to not hit the bottom long enough for animals - even birds - to get buried under them.
On second thought, give that entire page a read. Not just the part below where I linked to.

Now what if a huge flood wave knocked the tree to the bottom. That kind of stuff would happen in 20+ thousand foot waters with waves 90 feet tall.

3: You have yet to give any verifiable proof that the bible has eyewitness accounts without relying on the bible itself. Outside of the bible, there is so little mention of jesus from that time period that taking the simple claim of his existence as proof that he did everything the bible says he did is ridiculous.
We have far more evidence for Mohammad's existence than for Jesus's.

We have Islam today because Mohammad existed. Below are some references to Jesus existing outside of the Bible:
1. Cornelius Tacitus, (55-120 A.D.) Roman historian , “ Annuals” “Consequently, to get rid of the report Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the mist exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, many arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then , upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.”

2. Suetonius. Roman historian 49 A.D.

“Because of the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbance at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he ( Roman emperor Claudius) expelled them from the city.”
“After the great fire at Rome ….Punishment were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief.”

3. Josephus, Jewish historian (37-97 A.D.) Arabic version of Antiquities

“At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after this crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”

In another passage reference was made to Jesus’ brother James:
“ So he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.”

4. Pliny the Younger. Roman author and government official (112A.D.)

“ They (the Christians) were in habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but of an ordinary kind.”

5. Emperor Trajan. (112 A.D.) In response to the Pliny’s inquiry regarding how to deal with the Christians, Trajan replied: “ No search should be made for these people; when they are denounced and found guilty they must be punished; with the restriction , however, that when the party denies himself to be a Christian, and shall give proof that he is not( that is, by adoring our Gods) he shall be pardoned on the ground of repentance, even though he may have formerly incurred suspicion.”

6. Emperor Hadrian (117 – 138 A.D.)

“I do not wish, therefore, that the matter should be passed by without examination, so that these men may neither be harassed, nor opportunity of malicious proceedings be offered to informers. If therefore, the provincials can clearly evince their charges against the Christians , so as to answer before the tribunal, let him pursue this course only, but not by mere petitions, and mere outcries against the Christians. For it is far more proper, if any one would bring an accusation, that you should examine it.”

7. The Talmud. 70-200 A.D. An important Jewish religious record. “ On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged. For forty days before the execution tool place, a herald went forth and cried, ‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf”. But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.”

8. Lucian 2nd century Greek satirist who wrote derisively against Christianity.

“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them, and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.”

9. Mara bar-Serapion Late 1st century to 3rd century writing, speaking of Jesus” “ What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished……God justly avenged these men (the Jews)….; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land and live in complete dispersion. Nor did the King die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given.”

10. The Gospel of Truth ( 135-160A.D.) An heretic writing about Jesus. “For when they had seen him and had heard him, he granted them to taste him and to smell him and to touch the beloved Son. When he had appeared instructing them about the Father…. For he came by means of fleshly appearance.”

11. The Apocryphon of John (120-130 A.D.) An heretic writing about Jesus. “ It happened one day John, the brother of James, who are the sons of Zebedee- went up and came to the temple, that a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him “ Where is your master whom you followed?” And he said to him “ He has gone to the place from which he came…”

12. Acts of Pontius Pilate. A lost document which is believed to be a correspondence between the Rome and Pilate, if it is true it should have been written around 30A.D. The lost document was found quoted in a writing of Justin Martyr around 150 A.D.
“And the expression. “They pierced my hands and my feet”, was used in reference to the mails of the cross which were fixed in His hands and feet. And after he was crucified, they cast lots upon his vesture, and they that crucified Him parted it among them. And that these things did happen you can ascertain the ‘Acts’ of Pontius Pilate”

[asi1998]

1: Give this a read. Or this, at Tulon's insistence, because the KJV is old. This one still has the days thing.

You and Val should check out this article: http://creation.com/geology-and-the-young-earth

2: Give this a read, too. They do not appear to be buried very quickly, and the fossils are VERY deep. There are some animals lower than others. Unless you think that they somehow managed to stay above the water for a longer while, that doesn't work. Oh, and there are plants. Plants aren't known for their swimming abilities OR their running abilities. The way plants are fossilized would mean that giant trees too heavy to float somehow managed to not hit the bottom long enough for animals - even birds - to get buried under them.
On second thought, give that entire page a read. Not just the part below where I linked to.

Now what if a huge flood wave knocked the tree to the bottom. That kind of stuff would happen in 15+ thousand foot waters with waves over 100 feet tall.

3: You have yet to give any verifiable proof that the bible has eyewitness accounts without relying on the bible itself. Outside of the bible, there is so little mention of jesus from that time period that taking the simple claim of his existence as proof that he did everything the bible says he did is ridiculous.
We have far more evidence for Mohammad's existence than for Jesus's.

We have Islam today because Mohammad existed. Below are some references to Jesus existing outside of the Bible:
1. Cornelius Tacitus, (55-120 A.D.) Roman historian , “ Annuals” “Consequently, to get rid of the report Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the mist exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, many arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then , upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.”

2. Suetonius. Roman historian 49 A.D.

“Because of the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbance at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he ( Roman emperor Claudius) expelled them from the city.”
“After the great fire at Rome ….Punishment were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief.”

3. Josephus, Jewish historian (37-97 A.D.) Arabic version of Antiquities

“At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after this crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”

In another passage reference was made to Jesus’ brother James:
“ So he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.”

4. Pliny the Younger. Roman author and government official (112A.D.)

“ They (the Christians) were in habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but of an ordinary kind.”

5. Emperor Trajan. (112 A.D.) In response to the Pliny’s inquiry regarding how to deal with the Christians, Trajan replied: “ No search should be made for these people; when they are denounced and found guilty they must be punished; with the restriction , however, that when the party denies himself to be a Christian, and shall give proof that he is not( that is, by adoring our Gods) he shall be pardoned on the ground of repentance, even though he may have formerly incurred suspicion.”

6. Emperor Hadrian (117 – 138 A.D.)

“I do not wish, therefore, that the matter should be passed by without examination, so that these men may neither be harassed, nor opportunity of malicious proceedings be offered to informers. If therefore, the provincials can clearly evince their charges against the Christians , so as to answer before the tribunal, let him pursue this course only, but not by mere petitions, and mere outcries against the Christians. For it is far more proper, if any one would bring an accusation, that you should examine it.”

7. The Talmud. 70-200 A.D. An important Jewish religious record. “ On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged. For forty days before the execution tool place, a herald went forth and cried, ‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf”. But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover.”

8. Lucian 2nd century Greek satirist who wrote derisively against Christianity.

“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them, and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.”

9. Mara bar-Serapion Late 1st century to 3rd century writing, speaking of Jesus” “ What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished……God justly avenged these men (the Jews)….; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land and live in complete dispersion. Nor did the King die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given.”

10. The Gospel of Truth ( 135-160A.D.) An heretic writing about Jesus. “For when they had seen him and had heard him, he granted them to taste him and to smell him and to touch the beloved Son. When he had appeared instructing them about the Father…. For he came by means of fleshly appearance.”

11. The Apocryphon of John (120-130 A.D.) An heretic writing about Jesus. “ It happened one day John, the brother of James, who are the sons of Zebedee- went up and came to the temple, that a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him “ Where is your master whom you followed?” And he said to him “ He has gone to the place from which he came…”

12. Acts of Pontius Pilate. A lost document which is believed to be a correspondence between the Rome and Pilate, if it is true it should have been written around 30A.D. The lost document was found quoted in a writing of Justin Martyr around 150 A.D.
“And the expression. “They pierced my hands and my feet”, was used in reference to the mails of the cross which were fixed in His hands and feet. And after he was crucified, they cast lots upon his vesture, and they that crucified Him parted it among them. And that these things did happen you can ascertain the ‘Acts’ of Pontius Pilate”

[Fuzz422365117]

God is my best friend

[vallorn]

about that link asi... I stopped reading where it describes the books that dont agree with the bible "Heretical Theology" which is just plain false.

[Clanton1]

I believe Jesus is the son of God (God in human form). I also believe that he came and died for my sins on the cross so that I may have everlasting life and so I can spend eternity with my Lord and savior. Jesus has been there in the past and I have also experienced many miracles. It is a miracle to just wake up in the morning because we are not promised tomorrow. I am saved by the blood of Jesus. I am no longer scared of where I am going. I was saved when I was about 5 years old but I'm not sure if I knew truly what it meant to be saved by the glory of Jesus, but now I'm sure because I have rededicated my life and was baptized to show others my faith in Jesus THE (the "the" part is very important) Christ. If you want to become a Christian I have a vey simple method for you. It's as easy as ABC.

A- admit that your a sinner
B- believe in your heart that Jesus is the son of God and that he rose again on the 3rd day after he was nailed to the cross
C- confess Jesus as your Lord and savior

I hope you conform a healthy relationship with my God (hopefully yours too ) Have a nice day.

[trovo22]

Astronomy is what tipped me from agnostic to atheist a few years back. To grasp, however loosely, the immensity of our universe is a humbling moment. The scale of it, the age of it, the power of it, all put any written descriptions of God to shame. How could a being capable of creating such unfathomable complexity be so petty, so jealous, and so cruel? Why would such a being single out our humble rock orbiting it's single star amongst trillions?

Of course you only have to flip the dynamic of man and god around for it all to make sense. Instead of God creating man, man creates God. To the bronze age nomads to whom this God supposedly spoke the night sky was merely something pretty to look at. They had no clue that each of those specks of light was a star every bit as bright as our own. Or that the seemingly empty space between them was filled with yet more stars, stretching away across distances that they could have scarcely imagined. Without that perspective I imagine it would be easy to believe that Earth is the center of the universe and that a creator is merely hiding in the clouds.

In light of everything we now know however: God is simply too small.

As long as we're posting videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-3nILrROU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnwvoH-4XI

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

[Invunarble]

Astronomy is what tipped me from agnostic to atheist a few years back. To grasp, however loosely, the immensity of our universe is a humbling moment. The scale of it, the age of it, the power of it, all put any written descriptions of God to shame. How could a being capable of creating such unfathomable complexity be so petty, so jealous, and so cruel? Why would such a being single out our humble rock orbiting it's single star amongst trillions?

Of course you only have to flip the dynamic of man and god around for it all to make sense. Instead of God creating man, man creates God. To the bronze age nomads to whom this God supposedly spoke the night sky was merely something pretty to look at. They had no clue that each of those specks of light was a star every bit as bright as our own. Or that the seemingly empty space between them was filled with yet more stars, stretching away across distances that they could have scarcely imagined. Without that perspective I imagine it would be easy to believe that Earth is the center of the universe and that a creator is merely hiding in the clouds.

In light of everything we now know however: God is simply too small.

As long as we're posting videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-3nILrROU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnwvoH-4XI

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

I don't understand what you are going on about, Trovo...

[Jake55778]

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

Well we agree that the universe is vast and beautiful.

Personally I'd prefer to believe that the stars formed naturally, condensing out of clouds of matter until their immense pressure began to spark the fusion reactions at their core. Those same reactions that give birth to the higher elements and allow all life to exist.

I had a bunch more I was going to write, but I'd rather not risk reigniting this argument.

[LS13]

Please, do not bring this argument back... it is more trouble than it is worth....

[Clanton1]

Astronomy is what tipped me from agnostic to atheist a few years back. To grasp, however loosely, the immensity of our universe is a humbling moment. The scale of it, the age of it, the power of it, all put any written descriptions of God to shame. How could a being capable of creating such unfathomable complexity be so petty, so jealous, and so cruel? Why would such a being single out our humble rock orbiting it's single star amongst trillions?

Of course you only have to flip the dynamic of man and god around for it all to make sense. Instead of God creating man, man creates God. To the bronze age nomads to whom this God supposedly spoke the night sky was merely something pretty to look at. They had no clue that each of those specks of light was a star every bit as bright as our own. Or that the seemingly empty space between them was filled with yet more stars, stretching away across distances that they could have scarcely imagined. Without that perspective I imagine it would be easy to believe that Earth is the center of the universe and that a creator is merely hiding in the clouds.

In light of everything we now know however: God is simply too small.

As long as we're posting videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-3nILrROU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnwvoH-4XI

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

I AGREE ALL TH WAY RIGHT ON TROVO!!!!!

[Invunarble]

Oh gosh, please no, there's already one thread on fire right now, don't reignite this one :\

[Iron_Fang]

I HAVE FAITH IN THE EMPEROR!

[Invunarble]

I HAVE FAITH IN THE EMPEROR!

[LS13]

Can i lock this thread yet.

[Invunarble]

Can i lock this thread yet.

[aflycon]

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

This post makes absolutely no sense. If the Earth were a golf ball, it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times? Okay, anything the size of a golf ball could fill a large area if you had enough of them. The size of the star isn't even relevant if this is what you're comparing.

The problem I have with religiously religious people is that they can't seem to prepare or present an argument. If someone were able to put together a well thought-out and practical explanation, acknowledging that many of their beliefs have been disproved by science, then I'd be able to stomach it. But the blind ignorance and relative stupidity implied by how an argument is presented really puts me off.

[Clanton1]

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

This post makes absolutely no sense. If the Earth were a golf ball, it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times? Okay, anything the size of a golf ball could fill a large area if you had enough of them. The size of the star isn't even relevant if this is what you're comparing.

The problem I have with religiously religious people is that they can't seem to prepare or present an argument. If someone were able to put together a well thought-out and practical explanation, acknowledging that many of their beliefs have been disproved by science, then I'd be able to stomach it. But the blind ignorance and relative stupidity implied by how an argument is presented really puts me off.

why do u want to call some people stupid for something they believe is true? just a question. no offense tended

[Invunarble]

I know this eas from the first page but I'd like to point out in the Bible it states that Jesus breathed out stars. You see there is a star that if the earth was a golfball it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times. 3000! God is NOT too small. He is INCREDIBLY big! So big to BREATHE OUT a star that would fill the SUPERDOME 3000 TIMES IF THR THE EARTH WAS COMPARED TO A GOLF BALL!

This post makes absolutely no sense. If the Earth were a golf ball, it could fill the Super Dome 3,000 times? Okay, anything the size of a golf ball could fill a large area if you had enough of them. The size of the star isn't even relevant if this is what you're comparing.

The problem I have with religiously religious people is that they can't seem to prepare or present an argument. If someone were able to put together a well thought-out and practical explanation, acknowledging that many of their beliefs have been disproved by science, then I'd be able to stomach it. But the blind ignorance and relative stupidity implied by how an argument is presented really puts me off.

why do u want to call some people stupid for something they believe is true? just a question. no offense tended

Where do you see "stupid" in aflycon's post? He's simply questioning trovo's statement, not calling him stupid.

[LS13]

...the blind ignorance and relative stupidity...

[Clanton1]

...the blind ignorance and relative stupidity...

yeah right there

[Invunarble]

...the blind ignorance and relative stupidity...

[trovo22]

Well then. There is a star much smaller than that. Imagion two goldengate bridges lined up being the equivelent of the star's diameter and have if the earth as a golfball. That's Pretty big.

And as I was saying with the superdome. The star could hold 3,000 superdomes full of golfballs. And if the golfballs were equivalent to earth.. That's alot of golfballs. 7.2quadrillion earths in that one star.

[Invunarble]

Why do the superdomes need to be full of golf balls, though?